sunday, sunday. we will broadcast what happens on the set in between. in the break. and our thanks to have awe and the fabulous michael steele in d.c. for us nap does it for our hour. i'm nicolle, "mtp daily" starts right now. >> thanks for that. if it's thursday, deal or no deal? tonight, mixed messages over the art of the deal. >> it wasn't a deal. they didn't say they had a deal. >> first off, there's no agreement. and it was a discussion. not an agreement or negotiation. >> we all agreed on a framework. pass daca protections and additional border security measures excluding the wall. >> a day of twists and turns over a possible plan to allow hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants to stay in the country.

plus, the ultimate loyalty test. will the president's base crumble if he strikes this deal with democrats? and president trump makes his first visit to the hurricane irma disaster zone i. ju. >> i just want to tell you we are there for you 100%. these are special, special people and we love them. >> this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now. and good evening. i'm steve kornacki in for chuck todd. welcome to "mtp daily." and welcome to what is shaping up to be the ultimate test of loyalty. not only for president trump and his base, but also potentially for democratic leaders and their base. it has been a wild and crazy day so far of developments. this after president trump, chuck schumer and nancy pelosi announced an agreement to work on a deal that would protect

roughly 800,000 illegal immigrants in exchange for a package on border security. seems like leaders from both sides spent the day trying to avoid a revolt from their respective bases. after all, what's more loathsome to the republican base than the concept of amnesty? and what's more loathsome from the progressistic base, cozying up to a president and some draft articles of impeachment? hearon the president seemingly trying to reassure his side he didn't go rogue. >> -- not -- >> all i -- we're already starting the wall. the wall is being fully renovated, because we have vast amounts of wall, but without looking at citizenship or amnesty. we'll only do it if we get extreme security, if we get, not only surveillance, but everything that goes along with surveillance and ultimately we have to have the wall. if we don't have the wall we're doing nothing. >> the president reiterating all those points when arriving back at the white house just moments ago. a message he obviously thinks

his base needs to hear, because right now some of his most loyal supporters are not happy with him. this elected republican is warning his base is going to blow up. be blown up. excuse me. this one urging trump not to take up this fight. this loyalist calling the move "political suicide." the conservative website this guy runs is calling him amnesty don. the message from republican leadership today, well, this leader emphasized, "there is no agreement." and this leader basically told the president's team that he's not writing his legislation. they are. not the best thing house conservatives had to say, the best thing, they left town today that they were leaving town today. >> i can't do policy by twitter. so i don't have any idea. >> and the president and nancy pelosi spoke about this today. at meeting at white house last night. >> see what the bill is. >> are you comfortable with the president? negotiating with democrats?

good to see you. nice day outside. >> is it a non-starter? includes pathway to citizenship? >> would you support a deal for daca and border security? >> i have got to catch an airplane. i'm sorry. >> it is not just republicans who are antsy about a deal tying daca protections to border security. remember, just a week ago the senate's second most powerful democrat insisted that democrats wouldn't tie anything to this legislation. >> we are demanding that we pass a clean dream act this september, this year, to protect these dreamers and generations to come. >> and today here's chuck schumer and nancy pelosi seemingly trying to reassure they're side that they didn't go rogue. >> while both sides agreed that the wall would not be any part of this agreement, the president made clear he intends to pursue it at a later time. and we made clear that we would continue to oppose it. >> when you guys say that the dream act is the basis of what's

going to be involved in this, do you understand that that would include a pathway to citizenship for these folks? >> that's in the dream act. it's a long path and it's like a 15-year path, so it's an earned path but a long road. >> already you can see some potential deal breakers emerging here. both sides are not on the same page when it comes that that issue of a a pathway to sin stepnor what a border security package might look like. i'm joined by republican congressman chris collins of new york. of course, the first member of congress to endorse donald trump back when he was a candidate. also adviser to the trump transition team. congressman, thanks for taking a few minutes. i don't think i need to tell you, some of the president's strongest supporters from earliest on in the campaign, thinking of ann coulter. wrote a book called "in trump we trust" at one point. some of those folks are out there today saying he is betraying the people who elected him with this.

what do you say to that? >> steve, good to be with you and i couldn't disagree more. i'm certainly still solidly behind our president and when it comes to the daca issue, i think america understands. these are young adults that have spent their lives here, educated in our school system. many with college degrees, they're in the military. our country is compassionate, and we need to find a way to give them legal work status. something obama did not do with his executive order, which did not give them certainty. president trump wants to give them certainty. and i think there's no question this is a bipartisan issue. and i think it's appropriate as he has said that we're going to reach out and make sure we understand where the democrats stand on this. so a meeting with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, appropriate. i'm certainly one of the supporters on the carlos carbello act. we call it the dream act but not quite so on citizenship.

we're going to make sure we bring them certainty to never again have to worry about being, bust out of this country. it was never something i think that would have happened. >> you mention the word "citizenship" there. a potential political trip wire on the right. how far are you willing to go here? folks in the country, their parents brought them here. wasn't their choice. are you willing to give them citizenship? >> the fact that i am willing to do that doesn't mean that that's where we're going to end up. the bill that we've put forward gives them legal work start is for the next five years if they have a job they're in the military, they're in school, and they're abiding by our laws and end of fib yearve years given a five-year timeline to get a green card. ten years of certainty. the last five years, again, maintaining a job. not going on the dal, getting

welfare and i'm fine with that. the dream sact more direct. >> you don't think that's amnesty? >> i don't think this is amnesty. again, we're talking about the kids. they did not break the law. they're parents ca their parents, undocumented a whole different game. we've never going to grant citizenship to the adults. i don't think they're looking for it. they, too, want legal work status, an issue to face going forward with the 10-plus million undocumented workers. face it. these kids did not break the law. again, i'm actually fine with a path to citizenship, but certainly there are those republicans further right, perhaps, than i am, that would be troubled by that. hence the bill that we've put forward, the carlos carbello bill i'm on and about 30 or 40 other republicans is not specific in that language. it -- >> yeah. and let me ask you about the other piece of in is, too, because one of the things i don't need to tell you, the president campaigned on, the

wall. every single rally, leading chants with the audience about the wall. what do you say to conservatives who want the wall, who believe they were getting the wall, who saw the president, had leverage here. democrats were very panicked what would happen with these daca folks. the president called himself a great negotiator. he deals with democrats and says you know what? the wall's off the table. what do you say to the critics there? >> i'm not sure he has said "off the table." he said it's not a deal breaker. there's more conversation to have in this regard. again, i believe that we -- we should as americans compassionate move forward on the daca issue to give them certainty. i canny sure your listeners there will be a wall. donald trump, our president, will get the wall. whether it's tied to daca or we do it in another way. i know that he's sincere and we're going to get the wall. it's just possibly not, and this one, we have added security built into our border security, which we absolutely need.

so i trust our president. the great negotiator that he is. he's going to have to work at a bipartisan way. not only on this but frankly on tax reform. i'd say this is a bit of a phase two of the trump presidency where he is taking charge. i think there's no doubt about that. he's going to do what he needs to do to get results, and all of us are looking for results across america. and maybe this is step one of what i'll call phase two of the trump presidency. >> and what was phase one, then? how do you describe phase one of this presidency? we're nine months in? >> go back to, in january, our president said, let's work on fax reform. work on infrastructure. got pulled into the vortex of health care, we tried to do on our own, doubtful from day one. we did not get that done. seven months' passed. we are where we are. be honest, the president didn't want to deal with health care out of the gate but wan the to deal with tax reform and -- >> is that a criticism of paul

ryan? is that paul ryan's fault? mitch mcconnell's fault? >> they did their best but we can't get it done. again, the president sat back, allowed congress to do their thing. we did not get it done. he's frustrated by it and i think has said he's in charge now, he's going to drive the agenda. looking for republican support but looking for bipartisan legislation and i do believe america is looking for that bipartisan cooperation within congress and, again, i applaud president trump for saying, he's going to get these things done, and i believe he will. >> all right. congressman chris collins, republican from new york. thanks for the time. >> good to be with you, steve. and republicans aren't the only ones having to explain this flirtation with bipartisanship to their base. democrats have explaining to do. members of that party warning leadership not to overcommit in this marriage of convenience. joining me now, virginia democratic congressman jerry connelly. connellman, thanks for taking a few minutes. >> great to be with you, steve.

>> we haven't seen all the details but it looks like the bake parameters are, you guys want permanent protection for daca people. trump says i'll give you that. i want more money for border security. no wall. is that a good deal? >> it could be. we're going to have to see the details. certainly, the parameters you just laid out are the parameters for a deal. to fix the problem donald trump created. let's remember, this isn't an issue that came out of the skies. he dismantled the program through executive order president obama put in place and now we have to fix his mess. that's what we're trying to do. >> so we will see the details, but looks like one of the biggest potential stumbling blocks here is in terms of giving protection, permanent protection to daca folks, the question is whether this is legal status in this country or an actual path to citizenship. you heard nancy pelosi there today saying, path to citizenship. we know that's what democrats want.

my question to you is, could you live with permanent legal status? >> i think, you know -- we call these 800,000 young people dreamers for a reason. they dream of being americans. they grew up here. they came here as little kids through no fault of their own. they are american. i've met with them. i've had dinner with them. they're wonderful, young people who want to make a contribution and be americans. so there has to be a path to citizenship or, frankly, we quash that dream, dreamers dream of. >> and if the final deal that's offered to you. if nancy pelosi, the democrats talk to trump, go band rk and fh and the deal, daca folks are set, in the country, legal, stay the rest of their lives. we're not going to have a path to citizen. you're a no vote? >> why would we give green cards to people and say, but you can never apply for citizenship? we don't do that to other green

card holders. why discriminate against the group we're trying to help and the president confeprofesses to concerned for. >> and the term of this presidency going back to the election. the word that's come from the democratic base and all of these rallies and marches in the streets has been "resist." resist this president. resist this presidency. resist compromise. are you guys betraying your own base in striking a compromise with a president that might help him politically? >> where there's an opportunity, i think we should strike. if it's consistent with our values and principles and goals. and i think that's where our leadership, what they're trying to do. there's an opportunity. the opportunity isn't because a man of principle has come around to seeing things our way. it's because somebody miscalculated the president in getting rid of daca. he did not anticipate the enormous negative reaction, even

in republican polling. and so he has to fix the problem he created. and the republicans are certainly not the place to go to fix the daca dreamer problem. it's only the democratic caucus that's willing to entertain that in large numbers. so -- in a tactical move he's reached out to our leadership to try to fix his own problem, and if we have the opportunity to coincide our goals with his, i think that's smart legislating and i think our leaders are trying to respond to that. >> do you sense that this is a one-time deal here? we saw, the debt ceiling thing already a week or two ago. now this. do you sense a start of a trend of more potential cooperation between your side, the democrats, and president donald trump? >> i would be really cautious about that expectation. this is the same president that wanted to gut health care and deny it to 22 million people, that issued the executiveslims the order on transgenders in the

military. getting rid of daca as an executive order. let's not forget, a tiger rarely changes its stripes. so let's be realistic about who we're dealing with and what the issues are and we can deal with them on a case-by-case basis, but i don't see a huge pivot to democrat values and principles by this president. >> bigger picture. it occurs to methis deal is enacted into a law here, you'd have in the first year of donald trump's presidency, permanence for daca. a looks like the affordable care act, obamacare here a while. that will survive looks like. changes in the future, democrats going single payer, in fact. you have an issue of tax reform. no action there. issue cutting taxes for the wealthy hasn't happened yet. if this is what we emerge, the legislative record, first year of donald trump's presidency, do you look at that and say, this

wasn't as bad as i thought it would be? >> i think actually we've had some remarkable successes in this nine-month period. i agree with you. but i think we have to be very wide-eyed and realistic about what we're dealing with. this is not anybody with any moral core value system. this is somebody focused on dealmaking, irrespective of the content, and we have to tread very carefully and have to absolutely protect the values and principles and goals that we espouse and believe in passionately on behalf of the people we represent, and our rank and file certainly expect that of us. >> and are you satisfied with nancy pelosi and how she's represented your caucus in these dealings with donald trump? >> i am. nothing i'm saying should even be read as criticism of either chuck schumer or nancy pelosi. they're the leaders and doing their job. they have to deal with the

president and are cognizant of what i'm saying, in she to tread carefully and lower expectations what really can be accomplished across the board, because we don't have a lot in common with this president. and frankly, we can't vitiate these last nine months in terms of his actions and the ugly way he got elected. all on the record. none of that changed. >> congressman from virginia. thank you for your time, sir. >> thank you very much. and coming up, what is the deal with daca? our panel weighs in how the president's potential deal with democrats could impact both parties. and president trump pledges his support to florida as he tours the area's hardest hit by hurricane irma. the latest on the cleanup in florida, next.

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welcome back. the recovery effort in the aftermath of hurricane irma will take a long time and already wellunder way.

president trump traveled to fort myers and naples, florida, to survey damage today and met with officials and thanked first responders there. the president praised people on the ground for saving lives in the face of the historic storm. >> you're also in the process, but to think of the -- the incredible power of that storm and while people unfortunately passed it was such a small number, people would have thought thousands and thousands of people may have their lives ended, and the numbers, a very small number, which is a great tribute to you. >> vice president mike pence, the first lady and florida governor rick scott all on hand for the visit. president trump suggest add new job for governor scott at a briefing in fort myers. >> what do i know? but i hope this man right here, rick scott returns for the senate. i don't know what he's going to do, but at the certain point it ends for you and we can't let it end. i hope he runs for the senate. who knows what he's going to do. >> president trump also said he

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heading out of town, couldn't get to the airport soon enough, seemed. feels like this is a moment where you're a republican politician in this case you don't know what the, quote/unquote, right political response is to this. >> exactly. during the course of the campaign, remember when ted cruz warned about trump cutting deals with pelosi and schumer on things? this as the republican party pertains to congress is battling the fact their supporters overlap with trump base. they get political cover if trump goz along with some deal. i would add we don't know what it will look like. it's far off. i will add democrats i've talked to today also skeptical of democratic leaders sitting down with the president and perhaps getting rolled or not what they wanted. remember, they have a base very much relying on the idea that everybody will push back against the president, and so both bases here are kind of struck by what happened. >> and susan, we spent an entire

campaign talking about how donald trump, this was the moment. he was going to lose his voters. this is the moment the base was going to abandon him. i remember in south carolina in the primary he said, george w. bush lied us into iraq. everybody said, you can't say that. especially south carolina and he won every congressional district state in the primary. now looking at ingram, coulter, limbaugh, the people who had his back in that time are now saying this is a sellout. i guess i'm skeptical he's going to lose his base because of how much he's held on to it so far? >> i don't think he's going to lose "his" base. we shouldn't confuse this base of laura ingram or viewers of her, or the base of stephen king as -- that's not donald trump's base, and they said during the campaign, when people would point out, say, you don't -- how's he going to get mexico to pay for the wall? i don't believe mexico will pay for the wall.

a like what he's saying. he's holding on to that. on this particular issue, not suggesting the whole agenda will go this way, but on the dreamers. it's an 80/20 issue. ma jompty of republicans are for this. majority of democrats. something he can do. the big question you mentioned to your previous guest, will this be a path to citizenship or a way of becoming legal in the country? i think it will be the latter. >> ask you about that, jonathan. if nancy pelosi looks at this and donald trump draw as line in the sand saying there can't be a path to citizenship. legal status, fine. permanent residency in the country, fine. cannot have a path to citizenship here, can demming go along with that? >> probably not. so there's a lot of legislative squabbling to come and trump will contradict himself ten times before the end of the month. but the big picture that we should keep our eyes on is that just two weeks ago there were genuine concerns that 600,000 to

800,000 young people who came to this country when they were 2 months old 2, years old, would be thrown into a country they didn't know. through no fault of their own, deported. that's not going to happen now in this country. and i think we all understand that now. because it's an 80/20 issue and the president understands that he's going into a buzz saw, not of his base, but of the whole country if he moved forward with deporting these dreamers. one way or another, those young people are going to remain in the united states, and that's a good thing we should be thankful for. >> and the other thing that struck me about this is, paul ryan, the anybodies jonathan talks about, paul ryan has known those number as long time, wanted to dispose of this issue a long time. he didn't have the ability to go sit down with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer and do a deal like this. i'm sure he's miffed he wasn't included. embarrassing for him. end of the day this deal will take off the plate for paul ryan something he's wanted off the

plate for a long time. >> it will. the other question i ask myself is, what are the democrats really giving up on this? we know the wall wasn't going to be fully funded this year. no way. donald trump threatened to shut down the government over it. that's not going to happen. we had to deal with emergency funding for harvey and irma. i just don't see what the, why the democrats, they're not giving up much. i think rye tan to go back, and appease his conference who are up in arms. you brought up earlier, stephen, the campaign and november 2016 where republicans didn't know what to do, depending what he said. they had no answer. and that's what i think their biggest fear all along. they get to carry the ball down to, like, the 20 yard line and then donald trump just -- does a meeting with chuck and nancy. >> and i think they are, republican members are congress are like a lot of people sort of observers of politics. still trying to figure out what

this bond is that donald trump has with their own voters. what exactly is it? about policy at its core? is it about him? are there issues he can't touch and he'll lose them? i think they're trying to figure it out. >> i think so, too. you can argue imbration a policy trump pushed and talked about having heart in other ways. i definitely think the conference is trying to figure it out and the blame game is interesting to pay attention to, you do have a lot of people blaming paul ryan for example. mitch mcconnell showing weak leadership. haven't seen a lot of people really place blame on donald trump for this and we saw it during the course of the campaign. he campaigned against republican establishment, against the democratic establishment. and he campaigned as someone who wanted to get things done. he may be looking at the health care debate, i want a victory. to your point it's a popular issue. you talk to trump supporter on the issue of immigration they didn't always raise daca at the issue.

the question what will the prese parameters of a deal be? it's important. but daca isn't going to get people up in arms. >> and border security is the -- >> and using that word "extreme." finds an adjective to put in front of it. not just security. >> and a full employment act for anybody that pours concrete or the border. there is already a wall at certain parts of the border. i was down -- there's a wall. they'll build you know, portions of a wall in other places and trump will say, see, year building the wall. spending ton are more money than barack obama on border security and finesse it that way. >> soest interesting. wasn't just vetting, extreme vetting. it's not just security. now it's extreme security. whatever adjective he wants to throw in there. he has a gift of telling his base they're getting something more than just the average vetting nltsds and he can do it and others wouldn't have been

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and welcome back. an update on the fallout from hurricane irma. more information on the tragic situation at a nursing home north of miami. criminal investigation is underway to determine the circumstances that led to the heat-related deaths of eight people at the rehabilitation

center at hollywood hims. the city ofhole wood says the facility determined power in the aftermath of hurricane irma but air conditioning not fully functional. others evacuated to other various facilities. florida governor rick scott direct add state agency to issue a moratorium from accepting any any residents at this time. no arrests yet as that investigation continues, and meanwhile about 3 million customers are still without power across the southeast. that is down significantly frommerer this week. about 18,000 floridians are still in shelters. and supplies are also rolling in to ravaged caribbean islands like st. martin and the u.s. virgin islands which saw some of the worst of irma's destruction. difficult to access in the immediate aftermath of the storm but relief is arriving to very devastated areas. joining me now from st. thomas in the u.s. virgin islands is nbc's ron mott, and ron, we can

see a little of the scene around you there. you really are in the area hit the worst. describe what the scene is like down there. >> reporter: well, hey there, steve. good evening. you can see people trying to get off the streets here. we had a thunderstorm cell pop over in the last 15, 20 minutes. a curfew in effect here in st. thomas that begins at 6:00 p.m. and goes until tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. what folks are trying to get today, while they have a few hours are the bake supplies. food and water. pampers for the baby. formula for the babies. things like that, that have been basically absent here over the past eight days. generally speaking, the people are in pretty good spirits. although i spoke to a number of people today including one on the north side who has a couple of children. he says he wants to make sure that the government understands he appreciates what they're doing but says they could do a lot more. especially as it involves the curfew. a lot of people are still going to work every day trying to take care of their families. with the 6:00 curfew that

doesn't give them a lot of time. the gas lines are long, store lines are long and people know they have to be patient here but are saying, help us out a little if you will from the government standpoint. earlier this oorch afternoon wet up with the governor and basketball star and talking about what this island chain needs forward from the mainland and americans on the mainland who want to help. here's what was said. >> we are trying to make sure that we help our community manage their expectations, and this is a long hull. this is na long haul. it's difficult and complex but end of the day i'm confident between the government of the virgin islands and government of the united states and our friends and the corporate world and folks that know and are helping the people of the virgin islands, we're all going to get this done and get it done well. >> reporter: one of the big p r

problems here, a lot of roofs blown off. with rain and not enough tarps on the island, people having to deal with this now in their houses. >> ron mott, thank you for that. a programming note. chuck todd spent the day in the u.s. virgin islands with former new york city mayor michael bloomberg and chuck will have a report here tomorrow on "mtp daily." just ahead "in the lid." democrats tried to chip away at president trump's trump attacking him but could they succeed breaking up his base by working with him?

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welcome back. north korea hasn't blinks in the wake of tougher sanctions from the u.n. security council. according to three seen year military officials, u.s. intelligence observed north korea moving mobile launchers and prepping hard sites in the last 48 hours. both are signs that a test missile launch that could come in the next few days. in a statement coming out of north korea, they've not lost intensity either. a statement read on the country's central television network, the propaganda wing demanded "the u.s. be beaten to death as a stick is fit for a rabid dog, and now is the time to annihilate the aggressoaggre" saying? japan should be sunk and the u.s. mainland wiped out.

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ensure, always be you. welcome back. time for "the lid." heard it again and again. democrats repeatedly slammed president trump saying he's unpresidential, unqualified, unfit for the office he holds. but the president has mostly kept his chunk of the country together since he took office. his approval rating has hovered

somewhere between the mid-30s, low 40s. rarely falling lower than that. by any conventional standards those numbers are devastating for a president. as we said before, though, this doesn't seem to be a conventional president. no matter the controversy, his supporters are with him. think about it. whether when he said john mccain wasn't a war hero or the "access hollywood" tape, ongoing praise for putin in russia, initial response to the violence in charlottesville, the list goes on and on. so will this possible deal on daca be what finally causes the trump base to crumble? if history is our guide, maybe note. as politico put it yesterday, teflon don, they call him, confounds democrats. and our panel is back. jonathan, i'm curious about the reaction and what it will be like to the deal on daca to two fronts. everybody is looking at the question of the base. the folks cheering when he talked about the wall. if he listen to ann coulter, he sold out out.

we'll see. the other 60% of the country i'm curious about. those off limits in the approval questions. does cutting a deal with democrats on an 80/20 issue actually get him in there? >> it does with some of those people. we don't want to overread this. a lot of people just wanted as outsider who would get stuff done. if he starts putting points on the board, he will reap some rewards with independents. and even maybe some democrats who had voted for obama and then voted for trump. so, you know, democrats have to understand, and we're living in a world of amnesia. nothing really does seem to penetrate for very long. amazing how many stories, big stories, have come and gone and we can barely keep them all straight and they happened in such quick fashion and also, then, you have the fact that presidents can always re-invent themselves. the bully pulpit and external crises allow them to remake

themselves. so he's got going to go up above 50%, but he could definitely add to his popularity. >> because he got elected. don't forget, keep talking about that 35% number. he got elected with 46 -- >> that's >>s with why i dwell on it a little bit. normally i would say that's devastating but every statistic allocator said it was devastating for trump and he's the president. >> with 46% of the vote he got elected. he's lost probably the majority of the independents that jonathan was talking about they will. he lost them and that's why he's down there. with the storm, with two bipartisan agreements, potential agreements, he should see an uptick in his approval ratings. if he sees that, we know he is responsive to positive poll numbers so ellen joy that and see where he can do other disease potentially.

not policy. and they're disease that would tick off republicans. we keep talking about the republican base. in the last two weeks, schumer and pelosi, the core of the democratic base have said you can't do that. when chuck schumer said he would look at infrastructure when he was president-elect. people started picketting outside his home. >> that's an interesting question for trump going forward. is this the start of a trend where he makes other deals with pelosi? other deals with schumer? it strikes me, he's dealing with making a specific policy could that promise. that's new. take a step even further back. the model for trump politically has been polarization. obama in 2008, no red states and

blue states. i'll going to put a huge coalition together. trump was saying i'll get just the votes i needed and not a single one more and everything he's done as president until now has been about keeping that polarization in place. this blows that model up potentially. >> interestingly, he also has no loyalty to really anybody in the republican party. because they weren't loyal to him, to use his terms. democrats are facing a very active base. we saw with it diane findstein. i think when you're looking at trump's base of support, to your point earlier. it is not necessarily a monolithic group. you had people will be there for everything. you have others who were the more conservatives who kind of got behind him. they saw him as vessel.

you have others who see him as an alternative to clinton. so he campaigned as someone who would not be an idealog. >> his problem is, while in the short term, the medium material, has the good political strategy for him. he'll end the boycott on the white house. a lot of people won't even go. they'll say if schumer and pelosi go, i'll go too. he'll come out of deep freeze. in the short material, there are a lot of benefits for him. in the long term, a year from now, the democrats will not suddenly decide we like this guy and they would be extremely motivated. you put a win on the board and maybe your approval rating ticks up.

might have, his strength, better or worse, you get people who think of themselves as being part of red america. they may not like trump or they may think he's a conman. they may say i have to vote for him. that noise goes away when he cuts deals with democrats. >> to jonathan's point in 2018, the question i'm looking at, i see it in polling. while trump supporters, the core 35, are with him, he doesn't necessarily have the influence over other voters that he used to have. the question is how often can everything out in a republican primary, he could lose the seats against a moderate democrat, and they face a problem in the house, i would be worried about that if i were donald trump's

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christie. it shows phil murphy up by 25 points over republican kim guadagno. murphy has a resume checks the party's boxes. it includes 23 years at goldman sachs. the majority of voters say the wall street ties have no impact on their opinion of murphy. the same couldn't be said for kim guadagno. chris christie has become most unpopular governor in pothd modern times and people say that gives them a negative opinion of her so it seems like phil murphy is moving toward a win and it seems like his first move might be to appoint the next senator. if a governor phil murphy is faced with the appointment, i'll give you the name to keep an eye. on congressman donald norcross,

democrat from south jersey. a lot of folks in jersey think that would be the case for phil murphy. "the beat" starts now. never a dull moment in new jersey politics. >> the best three years of my life were spent covering it. >> tonight we begin with a story breaking late today. pulling back the curtain for the first time on exactly how donald trump learned bob mueller was taking over the russia investigation. this story is not important because of palace intrigue that is embarrassing to trump and jeff sessions, though it includes much of that. it is an investigative account of how panic over the russia inquiry goes to the top of the white house with implications for the ongoing inquiry into whether trump abused his power the obstruct justice. that's one of the criminal inquiries in mueller's investigation. this was a fantastic and fascinating story to read when it sgim our newsroom.